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Shell Norman's avatar

Thank you for sharing these tips. I laughed at myself, for I indeed did open my creative nonfiction with the protagonist looking in the mirror. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøHowever, I do it specifically to introduce the conflict right away--that she does not see who she thinks she is supposed to see. I am wondering if that still might be a cliche? šŸ¤”

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Shell, that's a good point. If she's looking in the mirror saying, "I see mousy brown hair and realize this is not my reflection..." it could be interesting. Or if the character is walking by a mirror and catches the reflection -- the cliche is usually someone brushing their teeth and looking in the mirror, getting ready for something and looking in the mirror or just simply looking in the mirror to dissect their appearance... if you can put a new spin and surprise the reader, then bonus.

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Shell Norman's avatar

It’s hilarious that you mention ā€œmousy brown hairā€!! That’s how I always described myself. šŸ˜†

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Colin Cerniglia's avatar

I was so looking forward to reading this because I wanted to test it against my current first ten pages. I really struggled with the info dumping my first time around (and the amount of rejections I got proved it lol).

But I have done a ton of work and I really believe my first ten pages have a lot of the good elements you listed while avoiding many of the items you mentioned that can lead to a rejection. So I’m very excited when I finish this current draft of my manuscript. I think I might actually get some full requests!

Thanks as always for providing your insight, Renee!

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Awesome, Colin. Fingers crossed. Let me know if you have any questions.

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Debbie Weil's avatar

Renee, love this. Writers could also use some of this advice for writing personal essays on Substack. Thank you!

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Absolutely, Debbie.

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Karin Gillespie's avatar

Great advice! You capture the problems I see all the time.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Thanks, Karin.

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Rebecca Ferguson's avatar

Thanks Renee, very valuable advice, even for my about-to-be-self-published erotic memoir! I’ll go back and run a ruler over the first 10 pages.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Sounds good, Rebecca. Self-published or traditional, it’s always important to get and keep your reader engaged.

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Richard Donnelly's avatar

"within the first five to 10 pages" I can tell in the first page. But then I'm a scoundrel : ) All kidding aside Renee this is absolutely splendid advice. I'm jealous, a couple of these I thought were my own private ace cards... Like throwing in a joke, or at least an absurdity as fast as possible.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

I can see it within the first page too, if it’s there. However, I like to ensure I’ve read enough to make a more informed decision.

For those who say, ā€œBut it really takes off on page 50ā€ā€¦ have answered their own question on why people stopped reading. That’s often the first clue to writers on moving up the action and starting in a different place.

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Jeremy Harshman's avatar

You know what’s funny about this though. I remember reading Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone as a ten year old, and barely making it through the first 50 pages, which was where to my young mind the story picked up. As a nostalgic adult, I love those first fifty pages now, but back then? Hard sell!

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Richard Donnelly's avatar

This is wise

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Christa M. Hines's avatar

Thank you so much, Renee! This is amazing advice...and now I'm off to review my first 10 pages and see where I'm making these mistakes both in the novel I'm pitching and my current WIP.

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Lynn Hill's avatar

I've saved this for future reference.

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Mark Thomas's avatar

Not currently writing a book, but found this really insightful! Thanks for connecting, Renee - glad we crossed paths :)

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Ditto 😊

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Maryann's avatar

Treasure trove of information and advice here!

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Thank you, Maryann

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Susan Kuenzi's avatar

Valuable article and helpful examples. Thank you so much.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

You’re very welcome, Susan :)

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K. S. Niels's avatar

I really appreciate this advice. I read with 2 hats for work, but it never occurred to me that others would too.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Glad I could spark an idea, K. Do you mind clarifying what you mean by ā€œothers would work tooā€?

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K. S. Niels's avatar

Oh, sure. It didn't occur to me that agents would hold many perspectives when reading submissions, even though, as an academic editor, I do that for clients (reading for laypeople, the academic reviewer's requirements, and their supervisor's personal preferences). I feel like I should've realized this sooner, but I didn't, and I'm grateful you mentioned it.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Ah, got it :)

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Linda M.  Smith's avatar

Very helpful pointers for we aspiring mostly unpublished authors!

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Glad it was helpful to you, Linda.

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Maureen Ross's avatar

Just checking the first 10 pages in my WIP!

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Sounds good, Maureen. šŸ™‚

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Tracy Mazuer's avatar

Thank you! I’m now subscribed!

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Welcome, Tracy! So happy you’re here :)

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Robin Currie's avatar

Great points - thanks.

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Thanks, Robin 😊

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